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My friends, the world has sunk to a new low...
Literary classics become txt msgs
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Classics like Pride and Prejudice are reduced to a handful of lines
Some of English literature's greatest masterpieces have been condensed into a few lines of text message to help students revise for exams. The service condenses classic works such as Bleak House and Pride and Prejudice into a handy aide-memoire.
For example, Hamlet's famous line: "To be or not to be, that is the question" becomes "2b? Nt2b? :confused:".
A university professor claims it "amply demonstrates text's ability to fillet out the important elements in a plot".
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif PRIDE AND PREJUDICE
5Sistrs WntngHsbnds. NwMeninTwn-Bingly&Darcy. Fit&Loadd.BigSis Jane Fals 4B,2ndSisLiz H8s D Coz Hes Proud. Slimy Soljr Wikam Sys DHs Shady Past.Trns Out Hes Actuly ARlyNysGuy &RlyFancysLiz. She Decyds She Lyks Him.Evry1 Gts Maryd.
"Whilst some may argue that Dickens is really too big a morsel to be swallowed by text, the Great Inimitable himself began working life as a short hand writer," said Professor John Sutherland of University College London, who is backing the project.
"He would, I suspect have approved of the brevity if nothing else."
The scheme has been developed by student mobile service dot.mobile.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif ROMEO & JULIET
FeudTween 2hses- Montague&Capulet. RomeoMfalls_<3w/_JulietC@mary Secretly Bt R kils J's Coz &&is banishd. J fakes Death. As Part of Plan2b-w/R Bt_leter Bt It Nvr Reachs Him. Evry1confuzd-bothLuvrs kil Emselves
The professor has compressed entire plots and believes it offers immense educational opportunities.
"Take for example the ending to Jane Eyre - 'MadwyfSetsFyr2Haus'. Was ever a climax better compressed?"
Tharrick
20-11-2005, 00:26
This sickens me in ways that cannot be expressed in words
...................Pass me my shotgun....
As a student of English Literature why the hell are we practically performing our own version of the Nazi book burnings seen in the 1930s? Seriously if the type of brain dead idiot who texts like that (no offence to the few intellegent people who text like that, just charvas and the like im having a go at :P) doesn't have any interest or sees reading the classics as 'gay' and 'pointless' why are we wasting our time defacing some of humanities greatests pieces of art? They won't read them anyway, remember, 'READING ISN'T COOL KIDS!' or so it would seem.
Sorry I know that probably didn't make any sense whatsoever but thats my rant for ya' now hows that for a slice of fried gold?
Dude I can't even understand half of it, that's a stupid idea. And they think because it's shorthand it'll seem "cooler" to some people and so there fore they might read/study it? O_o That is just... weird.
i think my IQ drop 40 points out of my 83, just trying to figure out why they butcher it... let alone trying to read it lol ironic this is coming from a british professor in a country who which pioneered in the English language.....
Dr. Aeyze
20-11-2005, 11:12
Eeh, like Lenin I think my IQ took a sky dive trying to undestand what those messages were saying. I'm still not 100% sure o_O
The professor has compressed entire plots and believes it offers immense educational opportunities.
wtf? o_O
The only oppertunity I see is to dumb down already not-to-bright people or to enthuse an even stronger hatred of text talk in anyone else. Like me for example. I'd have a fit trying to study stuff like that.
Dale Anthony
20-11-2005, 12:18
Erm...what the ****? Okay first off...text language...UBER GAY. Secondly, I didn't spend 16 years of my life trying to be as good as I am at English, just to have every piece of ****ing Shakespeare I learn turned into a mauled version of an Orange Phone Text Message.
This World, it's charvs...and all that crap, what the hell? I'm positive this is what philosopher's meant by the apocalypse after the year 2000.
^ rofl "the apocalypse after the year 2000", haha. Well personally this is WORSE than text message, cause when you text usin' shorthand cause it's ALOT quicker it's not THIS bad. And I didn't even bother to try to understand it after a few words =/ And is it just me or like Charvs are a UK thing? Since (well the definition I have heard, which seems rigt since the way you guys talk about 'em fits perfectly) well..... I don't think we really have them THAT much here.
They were born and bred near where Dalton, Lei, Midi, Katie, Hideto and myself live. And deserve to die.
Die a horrible death.
Or just be re-educated, s'all good.
Midisama
20-11-2005, 14:36
PRIDE AND PREJUDICE
5Sistrs WntngHsbnds. NwMeninTwn-Bingly&Darcy. Fit&Loadd.BigSis Jane Fals 4B,2ndSisLiz H8s D Coz Hes Proud. Slimy Soljr Wikam Sys DHs Shady Past.Trns Out Hes Actuly ARlyNysGuy &RlyFancysLiz. She Decyds She Lyks Him.Evry1 Gts Maryd.
ROMEO & JULIET
FeudTween 2hses- Montague&Capulet. RomeoMfalls_<3w/_JulietC@mary Secretly Bt R kils J's Coz &&is banishd. J fakes Death. As Part of Plan2b-w/R Bt_leter Bt It Nvr Reachs Him. Evry1confuzd-bothLuvrs kil Emselves
Seriously, this couldn't get any more pathetic if they tried. I'm sure they've been arguing that's kids' education has gone downhill;
"coz ritin lik dis iz gonna make it beta! MayB sum1 shud tel em dat beIn able 2 read dis kinda crap iz not sumthin dat u shud b proud of. Wed av 2 change da hol english lang n den wat about da uva countries who lern english as a 2nd lang? Jus ow difficult do dey wanna make it?"
--- You have NO IDEA how hard it was to write that. And I'll tell you right now, I'm NOT going to start reading things if THAT'S how they're gonna look!
if language changes to that I'm gonna wear patches over my eyes. could be quite interesting actually...
Dale Anthony
20-11-2005, 15:59
^ rofl "the apocalypse after the year 2000", haha. Well personally this is WORSE than text message, cause when you text usin' shorthand cause it's ALOT quicker it's not THIS bad. And I didn't even bother to try to understand it after a few words =/ And is it just me or like Charvs are a UK thing? Since (well the definition I have heard, which seems rigt since the way you guys talk about 'em fits perfectly) well..... I don't think we really have them THAT much here.
Lemme ask ya' this Auron. Do you know any people who only ever listen to Urban Music, Dance Beats or wear excessive or ANY bling?
If so...you have yourself a charv problem. :P
And yeah, I couldn't agree more. The Socially-Retarded (i.e. Teh Charv) would be fine writing like that but it's gonna take us a few less brain cells to write like that all the time. To which I wouldn't actually wanna risk.
I swear that hurts to try and read. That just isn't right.
If I ever tried to write like that I would probably end up violently shaking in the corner reading The Sunday Times.
Dale Anthony
20-11-2005, 17:07
I swear that hurts to try and read. That just isn't right.
If I ever tried to write like that I would probably end up violently shaking in the corner reading The Sunday Times.
lol! That's actually cheered me up alot reading that, thanks Scott lol.
Could you imagine what it would be like hearing World Leaders and people high in authority be like that?
Dale: No like we do have what you call "charvs" or "chavs" here but we don't exactly use that term, just.... well I dunno, gangstas? lol. And some people do listen to that type of music but might not act that way or may dress that way, but again might not act that way or are even that stupid =/ (mostly their attitude and behaviour is what defines them, yes?)
Back on topic, I think you guys are overreacting. I highly doubt this will become a worldwide thing or even a national thing (too much). If it does, I will like.... eat my own sh*t O_o *prays* xD. I mean, SERIOUSLY, who would accept something like this? I think some of the "less intelligent" might find this even more difficult to understand.... well "some". Plus you can't learn much from it either since they've turned probably a whole big paragraph into a few sentences.
Whats next though? texting exam answers into the examiner?
"da ansa 2 numba 5 iz tru"
O_o
Dr. Aeyze
21-11-2005, 12:09
Completely off topic, but the word charv makes me giggle. Down here we say chav, no "r" sound. With the random "r" I can just imagine people saying it with a big hearty piratey "Arr!" in the middle xD
Tharrick
21-11-2005, 12:27
chyarrrrrrrrv!
Aeyze:: That was a spammy post Tharrick >__> Don't do it again.
Tharrick:: Don't set yourself up for it then :P
Off topic: Well from you guys i've heard ye UKians (xD) both say Chav and Charv so I didn't know which one you might consider the "correct" term and stuff. ChaRRRv! lol.
charv is the correct term, because the full name is charver. however it could be derived from the mexican term ''chavales'' meaning young people.
anyway, this text language is ridiculous. not only does it make a mockery of our prestigious language, it really sucks for people from other countries trying to learn english. i know when i read spanish message boards to help with my essays, their text language makes no sense.
yeah it does, well it did to me - q = que
p = porque
etc etc
Lemme ask ya' this Auron. Do you know any people who only ever listen to Urban Music, Dance Beats or wear excessive or ANY bling?
If so...you have yourself a charv problem. :P
And yeah, I couldn't agree more. The Socially-Retarded (i.e. Teh Charv) would be fine writing like that but it's gonna take us a few less brain cells to write like that all the time. To which I wouldn't actually wanna risk.
Your calling me a chav then...
and Aeyze everyone down here says it's "chav" not "charv"..but y'know xD
and you have to stop grouping chavs together, they arent all the same, I know non-chavs who speak like "oh noes liek dis is so bd i wnt my bdy nw omg", so it's not just chavs..in real terms it's called "txt tlk"
Aeyze:: Up here! Up here, not down here. I'm down here, you're up there! Up up up! I was really looking forward to a nite piratey Arrr! In the middle of Charv. What a let down.
Aeyze2:: Don't take me seriously please. Apart from the up / down thing. THAT WAS 100% SERIOUS!
Dale Anthony
22-11-2005, 23:59
Your calling me a chav then...
and Aeyze everyone down here says it's "chav" not "charv"..but y'know xD
and you have to stop grouping chavs together, they arent all the same, I know non-chavs who speak like "oh noes liek dis is so bd i wnt my bdy nw omg", so it's not just chavs..in real terms it's called "txt tlk"
Aeyze:: Up here! Up here, not down here. I'm down here, you're up there! Up up up! I was really looking forward to a nite piratey Arrr! In the middle of Charv. What a let down.
Aeyze2:: Don't take me seriously please. Apart from the up / down thing. THAT WAS 100% SERIOUS!
Nah, cause I know you listen to some good things on the side. An' well...you don't appear anything like a charv. Besides, I don't care if you were one, anywho. :P
Sorry if I offended you with that.
But no, that's not it. Technically, Charvs can be grouped, because if you don't fit into that group, you're not a charv. It's a stereotype, therefore we can put people in it, if they dont go in easily, then they're probably not. The end. :D
My goodness, we've gone off on a tangent...
What is with this ChaRv thing?! Is this all because of aeyze and her pirate Arrrrs?
I don't like chavs.... they enjoy trying to push you over whislt you're stilt walking, stamping on your (paper-machie) feet, so you have to make a new set to go on the stilits, throwing stuff at you whilst you juggle, trying to steal the money you've made for children in need, and they also call you sad and "circus-freaks"....
Aeyze:: I saw that! ;_; Perhaps back onto the main topic though?
Kai Hiwatari
30-11-2005, 10:56
Its actually CHAV. Of which is derived from the police slang term "Council Housed and Violent"....Its a code the used to use when they encountered a violent citizen. Hence the term, correctly pronounced is CHAV...No hearty piraty "ARRRRRR"
Back on topic, I am absolutely repulsed to see great literature degraded, to the sub-standards of "modern man"....
These great works shouldn't be compressed. They are elaborate because their meanings are elaborate, every word conceals their meaning, their morals, their story. Remove the proper words, you remove the entire soul of the story to begin with.....
what the heck, this abolishes English Lit. What is the point to English lit if it is not conducted in proper english...
Texting is short handed as it can only contain a certain amount of letters, numbers and symbols, where as in exams they have no excuse ion the length of their sentences, this goes to show how lazy this world is truely becoming, i am all for making life easier, but doing this in exams, it will only give the younger community the wrong idea and can lead to a new form of english, called English texture or something like that...
>.>
<.<
Our Economy is starting to go down hill...
P.S - Chavs are to blame for their single brain cells managing to conduct a new form of language Innit, from this came short handed texts so you know they can then just make peoples lives even worse by adding in more discriminating comments into their texts.... Blady chavs
"Three chavs drive over a cliff in a nova, why is this a shame?? ???
Because a Nova seats four!"
Kai Hiwatari
30-11-2005, 11:15
I like the joke....
I think that the text talk is only going to be used for notes, compressions to revise from, and not in the real exam. Hoever text talk is a bad habit, and if revised from then zenn might be right, a new "english language" may be formed. The colloquial language of the "chav" can be to blame, however the agreement that this may prove to "help" students just sickens me. What is the point of writing an elaborate and beautiful piece of literature, only to have it decemated with "text slang". Text slang, don't get me wrong is good for texting, writing notes in a lecture (to re-write at a later date), or for those speedy typers. I too have used text talk here, and sometimes still do. (For that I apologise). But to use it in such a foul way, ruining the true meaning of the great works of literature we study today, its just, disgraceful.
It seems a bit pointless if you ask me. Text messaging is just a quick way of communicating - it has no place in the educational system. It's annoying when teachers constantly insist on trying to come up with revision techniques like this.
It's too cheesy. Right, I'm going out with my gun. Back in an hour.
Dale Anthony
30-11-2005, 14:09
It seems a bit pointless if you ask me. Text messaging is just a quick way of communicating - it has no place in the educational system. It's annoying when teachers constantly insist on trying to come up with revision techniques like this.
It's too cheesy. Right, I'm going out with my gun. Back in an hour.
Actually, there we have it. Why don't we just have teachers put the numbers to answers onto charvs and have each student use a shotgun to shoot the right answer and thus kill the charvs whilst getting a question right?
Well...we might aswell. It's either that or we're gonna be paying Orange alot more for a "brighter" future.
No, Dale, BAD Dale =P
Apart from the fact that I don't think they SHOULD be shot, I think that it's pefectly fine to use text talk when revising notes, or at least slightly. Yah, I'm guilty of putting 2 instead of to, or "r" instead of are. I know, it's awful and stuff, but I write fast (by fast I mean VERY fast) so just simply shortening things like that works well for me. Then again, not the the extent of the text talk mentioned above. But fully bringing it into the education system, I disagree with. It won't help anyone, not even the Charvs.
And on the subject of that, it IS ChaRvs, Kai (and anyone else who thinks overwise.) About 5 Geordies here will back me up on that, we know, its from HERE. Since Charv is a slang term, like Katie said, taken from the correct term, Charver, we'll go to a slang dictionary to check it out... **DUN DUN DUN**
"Shortening of charver, and correct spelling of Chav. The word charver originated in geordieland, and the cockneys changed it to chav, which sounds wrong. Alsoo, a townie mosh in South Hampton."
But yeah, tomato tomato (Said in my head that makes a lot more sense. >_>) I've already had a debate with Kaede about it, cause they call them Chavs in Kent (which if ANYWHERE, would be where the term comes from, so BOO)
It's just the southerners, taking our words and making them right, cause they can't pronounce it like us pirate geordies. >_>
EDIT:~ Come to think of it, shortening Charv to Chav, annoys me more than changing to to 2, suppose they're just as bad as each other. BLEH
Midisama
30-11-2005, 18:23
Yah, it's ChaRv. ChaRver. Definitely an 'R' in there. Otherwise you just sound like some poser who thinks they know what they're talking about when they don't.
I just thought. The whole text things gonna make maths really difficult for them. Cause they might confuse Algebra with text speak and start going "Eh!? What does that say liek?" Hah, actually that's quite amusing. :P
Dale Anthony
30-11-2005, 18:27
Yah, it's ChaRv. ChaRver. Definitely an 'R' in there. Otherwise you just sound like some poser who thinks they know what they're talking about when they don't.
I just thought. The whole text things gonna make maths really difficult for them. Cause they might confuse Algebra with text speak and start going "Eh!? What does that say liek?" Hah, actually that's quite amusing. :P
xD
"2x is...B...R...2B!?" "Be right back!, OKAY LIEK!" (Was never good at Algebra himself)
lol. I was actually gonna respond sooner because YEAH, charver is a Northern Word BECAUSE charvers unfortunately come from the North or atleast the first signs of them were from up here...yadda-yadda. Anywho basically chav sounds like a type of Swiss Cheese, Charver is the TRUE pronouncation. Believe it, liek.
Well, actually the word 'Chav' originates from London, this is what me and Lei discussed. Because in the 60's, people would call the 'rough' kids and lower class kids.
Charvs and Chavs are different, but are very very similar thus basically making them the same, tats why the confusion is there.
So Charv/er isnt the correct spelling for Chav.
Dale Anthony
30-11-2005, 18:34
Well, actually the word 'Chav' originates from London, this is what me and Lei discussed. Because in the 60's, people would call the 'rough' kids and lower class kids.
Charvs and Chavs are different, but are very very similar thus basically making them the same, tats why the confusion is there.
So Charv/er isnt the correct spelling for Chav.
Okay, it might not be the correct spelling but what the hell. If you're using a 60s word, that's pretty out-dated. xD
Okay, it might not be the correct spelling but what the hell. If you're using a 60s word, that's pretty out-dated. xD
Better throw the dictionary away then, I mean thats been out for years and years.
Also Chav is related to alot of other things and Charva is only related to Chav..XD
Chav is related to Happy Slapping not Charvs also,
Dale Anthony
30-11-2005, 18:42
Yeah, I used to use charva alot too. Although now I just use charv. Charva sounds a little too hard for the Young Offenders of Charvsville to understand when you call them that. xD
So Charv/er isnt the correct spelling for Chav.
'Cause southerners CAN'T HANDLE THE REAL ONES..... :P
And charvs have something to do with happy slapping, right? I mean, they do it, I'VE SEEN THEM! They've also got a lot to do with a lot else, more than Chav up here. Chavs a word which is frowned at, we dislike it so dont have anything to do with it.
ANYWAY, THIS IS SO OFF TOPIC....Back ON topic....
I'd like to see them translate LOTR to txt speak. =P
Before today, I'd never heard the word Charv before. It's always been Chav in the UK...
On topic, it'd be hilarious to see the bible in txt talk! I feel sorry for the poor sucker who'd have to translate it though...
Kai Hiwatari
02-12-2005, 13:19
Chav is correct to me, it also origionates from the Romanian Gypsy language, and it means "Child"
HOWEVER!
I believe that we shouldn't get into an argument about it, We should just accept each other, and our differences, be it that you say "Charv" and I say "Chav" It's stil the same thing. So, accept, and move on ^^.....
Just think, does the pronounciation of a SLANG word actually have any significance in your life?
So, please...keep on the topic.
The bible, in text slang Rai?...Hah, that would be funny!!! Just think though, it took the writers ages to publish their works....how long do you think it'l take to "translate" them all?
And also, there are many different forms of text slang, for example the word "what" can be written as: "wat" or "wt".....so how would they decide which ones to use?
Rusty2006
09-04-2006, 06:33
The Human lanugage decressed over the years, and what is worse is that kids now and days only play video games or go on the computer. I do that, but I have a degree in Math, so STFU you little kids, the ones who say I am lazy,NOT ANYONE HERE and I have two jobs, so no can call me lazy.
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