To Kill...

[Razorblade Kiss]

A question posed by many but not answered is:
"Is it wrong to kill evil people in order to make the world a better place?"

Now, don't answer with a statement you think everyone wants to hear. Do you really think it's bad to kill evil people? It's a question posed by many and rarely answered.

So...do you think it's wrong to kill evil people? Or do you think it would be right?

[Hideto]

I think its well and truely right, people who are complete utter bastards deserve to die, as horribly as possible.

[Tharrick]

Yeah, definitely. Why not? I believe in the killing of the terminally stupid, so why not the killing of the evil?

[Lei]

I don't. It probably won't suprise any of you this coming from me, but I do NOT believe in eye for an eye. Personally, I believe killing is evil, so therefore if we kill those who kill, we are evil ourselves, and it does not cancel itself out. But that's just my beliefs and my values. I'd never kill a person, ever. But technically, there is holes in what i'm saying, because I believe capital punishment should be brought back, especially when it comes to paedophilia and rape.

[Razorblade Kiss]

If given the choice, and there were no reprecussions whatsoever, would you do so personally with your own hands?

[Mirae]

Heh, the only problem with these kinda things is that "evil" is seen differently by every single person, some people consider kicking a cat evil, others find it amusing, etc etc (I find it evil personally, but that's beside the point -_- ).
So what kind of evil would this be? Extreme evil like rape, murder etc?
I am sort of in doubt on this one. Sure, evil being purged (ooh, that sounds like a manga xP) would be super nice, but isn't the act of killing in itself evil?
(It'd be easier if we just jammed all the evil people in some rocket and set the rocket off to some other inhabitable planet. =D )
The idea of killing people to make the world a better place is both pure and hypocritical at the same time...bit tough to say really =/

[Scott]

If given the choice, and there were no reprecussions whatsoever, would you do so personally with your own hands?

If I could justify it to myself, yes I would.

Obviously I dont see it as evil to kill if I think the person deserves it. If someone for example murders an innocent person then I think that person deserves to die for it. But thats just me, everyones different. I can see why people would disagree and say killing in general is evil, just I dont accept that.

[Grae]

If someone is truly evil, a menace to society, if they choose to be a deviant to the balance of order, than they must be purged from our society.

Enough said.

[Tharrick]

If given the choice, and there were no reprecussions whatsoever, would you do so personally with your own hands?
Do I lock criminals in my cupboard for 15 years if they rape someone? Do I personally collect fines from litterers and bad parkers? No. Then why should I have to punish those guilty of more serious offences?
On the other hand, if you mean 'if given the choice of killing one person who I definitely know is going to kill a lot of people', then I would, without a moment's hesitation. But I would take no pleasure from it.

[Hideto]

If given the choice, and there were no reprecussions whatsoever, would you do so personally with your own hands?

yes, especially if it had hurt me personally

[Razorblade Kiss]

I'll join in on this too.
I'd kill for a utopia. Not to sound evil or anything of the like, but If I was given the chance to kill those who are evil for the sake of a better world I'd gladly do so. Yes, killing is bad but is it wrong to kill someone who'll just inflict horrors on other human beings?

If given the choice, Yes, I would kill to make the world a better place.

[Müninn]

I unno, to me this sounds a bit like a moral contradiction. To kill those who would kill, just doesnt sound right to me. I do support the death penalty tho, but myself I could never kill somone just for being "evil". As wrong as it may sound for us, what these "evil" people do may not seem like a bad thing at all to them. So it's really hard for me to say on this one, because either way, killing the "evil" people would be evil in itself I guess.

[Auron-X]

Well the first thing is, what could be considered evil and wrong? These things are only "beliefs" and what one thinks not exactly truth. Though obviously I see waht you mean by "evil" people, mainly serious criminals and the such. And as for the question, I think it is wrong. I mean, sure you could say they "deserve" to die, but killing them? Eh. Plus it'd ruin the "balance" of the world, the way things work you could say, a place with utter peace and no "evil" people would be... well... just weird and not that great, but a place with utter chaos would just be as bad. Dunno what i'm trying to say here but like I just think it's not exactly right, though I do think the death penalty is right, so.... xP. And as for the "second" question, it depends. If it was someone I had a GREAT hate for because he or she may have done something that affected me that MUCH, then possibly, but unlikely, I don't think I could do something like that - i'd be too scared or something.

[Chris]

What is good and evil is subjective. Some people may think someone's evil, but what that person is doing is what they feel is right and good.

So to kill an 'evil' person, what's if they're not the evil one, and the person who killed them is?

Take George Bush for example, some people think he is a Godsend and a hero, and would follow him to the ends of the earth 'cause he's Good, wheras other people think he's Evil and should be gotten rid of.

So yeah, I don't believe in killing someone 'cause they're supposedly 'Evil.' Sure, imprison them, interrogate them, and all that - but what if the people doing that are evil?

Now my head hurts, but that's cause I have man-flu and I'm slightly delerious from the copious amounts of random medication I've taken.

If copious is the right word - or even a word! hahahhaahaha.

*back on topic*

We ALL want a perfect world, a perfect utopia, and all that. World peace and all that jazz, but in EVERY SINGLE species on this planet there are fights and wars. It's natural - we just happen to have found a way of killing thats more brutal than anything else - well actually I'd rather blow up than be bitten by a poisonous snake or something and have a slow painful death where I puff up like Poppinfresh, but that's a different story entirely.

WHAT THE HELL AM I TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!

thats it I'm off to get breakfast and more throat soothers. mmm strawberry....

[TriggerHappi:D]

If given the choice, Yes, I would kill to make the world a better place.
I get what you mean by that, Razorblade, but I don't think that would make any sense. Sure, you could kill off someone who's "evil" in order to rid the world of him/her and his/her evil deeds, but now you've got a new killer to replace the one you got rid. And as for what you said before, I don't think it's possible for a utopia to exist. Not to trail off the subject for a second, but I personally believe that the closest thing we can have to a peaceful, non-violent society would be a dictatorship. To fall into place like "puppets" (I guess I'd say) is in my eyes, the only way that we'd ever have a world that's free of the things we're trying to get rid off. We, as people, unfortunately are simultaneously gifted and plagued by the ability to be have a dissenting opinion. We can do as we choose, which to me, is the exact opposite of a perfect world. We'd all need to be mindless, indifferent drones in order to obtain that fictional "perfect world". It's the kind of things that make us strive for world peace that will never allow us to have it. The things some people percieve as "perfect" might be morally wrong to others. Let's take racism or segregation, for example. Some people just believe that they're better than others, be it for their skin color and whatnot. I think this is total B.S. Sure, you can be smarter or more athletic than someone, but to say that you're "better" than someone for no sensible reason is just stupid.

Now enough of my ranting of obvious stuff....

I guess all that hula-ba-loo (XD) can link back to the subject of this thread. To kill someone who's "evil" might be considered an act of justice, but to others, specifically someone in close affiliation to this "evil" person,(e.g/e.i/whatever the hell the abbreviation for 'example' is: A friend, relative) this same "act of justice" might just be another evil act. If given the chance, I'm pretty sure more than 3/4 of the world's population would've killed Baby Hitler. (That's right, it was gonna' come to this eventually! XD) At the time, Hitler (along with some thousands of Nazi's) thought that what he was doing was the right thing. He looked at the Jews as the evil, disgusting, filthy people who should have all been wiped off the face of the planet, and some people agreed with him. We would've killed him given the chance, and he would've (and succeeded in doing so) killed off millions of people as well.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand......now I've reached the point where I'm just wasting away my time incessantly (Don't know what that means but I'm guessing I'm using it right!) ranting about morals and baby hitler when I still need to finish my essay! XD

[Dale Anthony]

I get what you mean by that, Razorblade, but I don't think that would make any sense. Sure, you could kill off someone who's "evil" in order to rid the world of him/her and his/her evil deeds, but now you've got a new killer to replace the one you got rid. And as for what you said before, I don't think it's possible for a utopia to exist. Not to trail off the subject for a second, but I personally believe that the closest thing we can have to a peaceful, non-violent society would be a dictatorship. To fall into place like "puppets" (I guess I'd say) is in my eyes, the only way that we'd ever have a world that's free of the things we're trying to get rid off. We, as people, unfortunately are simultaneously gifted and plagued by the ability to be have a dissenting opinion. We can do as we choose, which to me, is the exact opposite of a perfect world. We'd all need to be mindless, indifferent drones in order to obtain that fictional "perfect world". It's the kind of things that make us strive for world peace that will never allow us to have it. The things some people percieve as "perfect" might be morally wrong to others. Let's take racism or segregation, for example. Some people just believe that they're better than others, be it for their skin color and whatnot. I think this is total B.S. Sure, you can be smarter or more athletic than someone, but to say that you're "better" than someone for no sensible reason is just stupid.

Now enough of my ranting of obvious stuff....

I guess all that hula-ba-loo (XD) can link back to the subject of this thread. To kill someone who's "evil" might be considered an act of justice, but to others, specifically someone in close affiliation to this "evil" person,(e.g/e.i/whatever the hell the abbreviation for 'example' is: A friend, relative) this same "act of justice" might just be another evil act. If given the chance, I'm pretty sure more than 3/4 of the world's population would've killed Baby Hitler. (That's right, it was gonna' come to this eventually! XD) At the time, Hitler (along with some thousands of Nazi's) thought that what he was doing was the right thing. He looked at the Jews as the evil, disgusting, filthy people who should have all been wiped off the face of the planet, and some people agreed with him. We would've killed him given the chance, and he would've (and succeeded in doing so) killed off millions of people as well.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand......now I've reached the point where I'm just wasting away my time incessantly (Don't know what that means but I'm guessing I'm using it right!) ranting about morals and baby hitler when I still need to finish my essay! XD

I agree with Bryant on this one, with the part that's about how people will see it (yeah, someone else said that earlier too). I don't think you'd actually be making the World a better place killing anyone, cause you'll always have the crazy nutcase underneath you, following you by example and you'll have a valid reason for killing someone but the guy who follows you won't and he'll just kill with the excuse that you did.

[Big Boss]

Funny how the world works. Like that Bush thing Chris mentioned, people have different views on a person. Those who view him as a hero and those who view him as a villain. It's very confusing. Good and Evil act as a balance in the world. The badguy of today good be the saviour of tomorrow.

BTW, I DOUBT that anyone who says that they could kill someone are not willing to do it. If you disagree, then respond.

[Tharrick]

I don't think you'd actually be making the World a better place killing anyone, cause you'll always have the crazy nutcase underneath you, following you by example
Shooting Hitler before the war would have saved millions of lives. Even if you class it as murder, I'd cheerfully stand before God with that on my conscience.

[Dale Anthony]

Shooting Hitler before the war would have saved millions of lives. Even if you class it as murder, I'd cheerfully stand before God with that on my conscience.

That's not murder nah. I think though, that's cause alot of people seen him as evil in many ways.

[Tharrick]

Sure, you could kill off someone who's "evil" in order to rid the world of him/her and his/her evil deeds, but now you've got a new killer to replace the one you got rid.

This guy sees it as murder :P

[Big Boss]

This guy sees it as murder :P

Then what is it?

[Tharrick]

What, the killing of a single man to save millions of lives? I wouldn't see it as murder. Murder is a crime. Saving millions of lives.. well, if that's a crime then I guess our legal system is messed up.
But really, if I were to go out right now and shoot a man in the head, and the police were to open his coat up and reveal a suicide bomb, and determine that by my own 'evil' action I had saved a lot of peoples lives... do you think I'd be jailed for it?

[Dr. Aeyze]

Murder is the act of killing another creature, right? So personally, even if you were to shoot Hitler, in my eyes it'd still fall under the category of murder. Regardless of whether you're going to class murder as good or evil, you're still killing someone. In my eyes I don't really class murder as good or evil. It depends on the circumstances. Though obviously, the majority of killing that takes place in Britain falls under my evil category. Though if one person was to die for the greater good, for example in the scenarios above, then I don't think it's right for that person to be punished.


Whether I could bring myself to do it? No, definately not.

[Midisama]

Personally, if it's for the greater good, then I think it's justified. Myself? I would only kill if it was to protect myself or the ones I love. I wouldn't go out of my way because of a grudge. It would have to be a threat right then at the time.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. Sorry but, in the case of Hitler, to ME that's not unlawful. After what he inflicted on the Jews, there isn't a punishment in hell worthy enough for him.


P.S. Lei says: Hitler was hardly human!

[Big Boss]

The way law works...considering the consempt of murder.


-Killing a person who posesses an immediate threat to the lives of oneself or others, i.e. in self-defense.

-Killing a non-surrendered enemy combatant in time of war.

-Executing a person in accordance with a legally imposed sentence of death.

If you were to kill Hitler, a suicide bomber, or a complete nutcase with a firearm, it'll be considered Justifiable Homicide.

Though, I'm not sure if other places work like that.

[Tharrick]

If you were to kill Hitler, a suicide bomber, or a complete nutcase with a firearm, it'll be considered Justifiable Homicide.

Are you by any chance in the USA?

In England, you're likely to be up on possession of an illegal firearm, or illegal use of a registered firearm, plus murder.
Not saying that I'd be convicted, but I'd wind up being tried anyway
Isn't a jury in the WORLD that would convict a man who shot a suicide bomber and stopped him exploding a school or something.

[Belazor]

I didn't read every reply thoroughly, but whoever says that killing a person like Bin Laden will give the world another killer to deal with is, IMHO, talking complete bull.
For instance, I know this guy who fought in Nam. He has killed people there, and he told me how he felt about it. He said that it was hard the first time, after that it became just a job to him. Sure, it changed him, but he's not a bad person for it. He doesn't go on a killing spree nor does he harm anyone in any way. In fact he's a loving father of two boys.
So what Im saying is, it IS possible for people to kill without assuming the mantle of whoever they kill.

So yeah, Im for the killing of evil-doers. I define "evil-doers" as people who repeatedly commit serious offenses such as murder, rape, etc. Killing one person doesn't make someone an evil-doer IMO, because just because someone has ONE outburst of rage, doesn't mean they will become serial killers.

I doubt I made myself as clear as I want to be, so don't hesitate to ask if you don't see what I mean.

[Dusk]

I didn't read every reply thoroughly, but whoever says that killing a person like Bin Laden will give the world another killer to deal with is, IMHO, talking complete bull.
For instance, I know this guy who fought in Nam. He has killed people there, and he told me how he felt about it. He said that it was hard the first time, after that it became just a job to him. Sure, it changed him, but he's not a bad person for it. He doesn't go on a killing spree nor does he harm anyone in any way. In fact he's a loving father of two boys.
So what Im saying is, it IS possible for people to kill without assuming the mantle of whoever they kill.

So yeah, Im for the killing of evil-doers. I define "evil-doers" as people who repeatedly commit serious offenses such as murder, rape, etc. Killing one person doesn't make someone an evil-doer IMO, because just because someone has ONE outburst of rage, doesn't mean they will become serial killers.

I doubt I made myself as clear as I want to be, so don't hesitate to ask if you don't see what I mean.

Maybe, but I hope you don't mean they shouldnt be punished, they've taken/ruined someones life, they should be punished for that, Im sure you would react differently if someone you loved was raped or killed, wouldnt you want to kill them?

and Killing people for war and just killing people is completely different, do you really think someone is sane if they just come up to you cause they dislike you or you looked at them funny and stabbed you? or raped you because they fancied you but thought they were too ugly to get you? that isn't sanity...

[Big Boss]

Are you by any chance in the USA?

In England, you're likely to be up on possession of an illegal firearm, or illegal use of a registered firearm, plus murder.
Not saying that I'd be convicted, but I'd wind up being tried anyway
Isn't a jury in the WORLD that would convict a man who shot a suicide bomber and stopped him exploding a school or something.

To answer your question, yes I am in the USA.

Though, I'm not sure if other places work like that.

I wrote that up because I wasn't sure other places work like that, though I'm pretty sure by now.

[Lenin]

You should also note that Hitler went into politics when he was 18 and after WWI. Before that he was an artist who dropped out because he cant draw people well, but hitler's landscape/architect paintings are bloody marvelous coming from a history villian lol

[Belazor]

Maybe, but I hope you don't mean they shouldnt be punished, they've taken/ruined someones life, they should be punished for that, Im sure you would react differently if someone you loved was raped or killed, wouldnt you want to kill them?Obviously they should be punished, and I believe that 6 months with good behaviour is taking the piss with the victims.
and Killing people for war and just killing people is completely different, do you really think someone is sane if they just come up to you cause they dislike you or you looked at them funny and stabbed you? or raped you because they fancied you but thought they were too ugly to get you? that isn't sanity...If the latter was normal, Id probably have as many bastard children as there was broken condoms in a truckload of condoms XD
Seriously though, the difference between a war kill and a regular kill lies in whether you burn for the war or not. Like WWI, any kill there would feel just as pointless as lying in the gutter taking pot shots at random people on the street.

[Mirae]

One of my favourite quotes comes to mind:
"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."

[Kai Hiwatari]

Without darkness there can be NO light...
Without light there can be NO darkness...
Within ALL darkness there is some light...
Within ALL light there is some darkness...

This is something i truly believe in....
Therefore I pose afew questions for you:
If you wanted to abolish ALL evil...then go ahead, but without it, how can you tell what is good?
If you had a perfect world, how could you tell if it was a world of perfect good?....
How can you trully decide what is pure evil, if within every evil there is some good?
Who would judge the good from the bad? Would we have a dictatorship? How would you choose the judge?

The levels of evil and good in our world, in each and every person, are unbalanced. There is a constant change occuring, like a seesaw, constantly moving. The battle of life is to try and reach a balance, try and reach a nirvana.
Thus I believe that, even though we want to be rid of evil, we can't. We need to try and obtain a balance between the two.

[Grace Saunders]

I see nothing wrong with killing complete screwballs that may kill other people.