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Dr. Aeyze
06-12-2005, 14:48
The first patient to undergo a face transplant thanked her doctors as soon as she came round after the operation.
The woman, who sustained her injuries when her dog mauled her is "doing well" and has been able to eat strawberries and chocolate, doctors say.

The medical team who carried out the operation on Sunday in Amiens, France, say they were justified in undertaking the ground-breaking surgery.

But one expert questioned if such a radical procedure was needed.

Laurent Lantieri, an advisor to the French National Consultative Ethics Committee, said the team who operated on the patient had violated the panel's advice by not attempting conventional reconstructive surgery first.

'Green light'

The team who carried out the pioneering operation - which altogether lasted around 21 hours - have been giving details of what they called an "exceptional case".


Facial tissue from a donor from Lille, who was brain-dead, was used to repair severe damage from the top of the woman's nose to her chin.

It is precisely because there was no way to restore the functions of this patient by normal plastic surgery that we attempted this transplant

Caroline Camby, French health ministry adviser


The transplant process

The medics denied reports she had been attacked while she was unconscious after a suicide attempt.

Transplant surgeon Dr Jean-Michel Dubernard said the woman had taken a pill to try to sleep after a family argument, and was bitten by her dog during the night.

"There was no suicide".

The pet was later put down, against the family's wishes.

Dr Dubernard said several psychiatrists had assessed the patient before her operation and "all gave the green light".

Dr Bernard Devauchelle, a facial surgeon who took part in the operation, said: "We decided to go ahead with a transplant of part of the face because it restored the anatomy and the aesthetics, but also the function of this face."

'Thank you'

Philippe Domy, the director of the hospital in Amiens, northern France, where the transplant was carried out last Sunday said the surgery was required because the patient's case was exceptional.

"We are in an exceptional situation that required an exceptional response," he said.


Dr Devauchelle described how the team painstakingly transplanted skin, muscle tissue - connecting lots of blood vessels and nerve cells.

Connecting the nerves should allow the patient's face to be mobile, he said.

Four hours after the operation, blood was flowing through the transplanted tissue.

The patient regained consciousness 24 hours after the operation.

Longstanding concerns

Caroline Camby, director general of the agency under the French health ministry that co-ordinates organ procurement, said normal surgery had not been possible in this case.

"It is precisely because there was no way to restore the functions of this patient by normal plastic surgery that we attempted this transplant.

"She could no longer eat normally, she had great difficulty speaking and there is no possibility with plastic surgery today to repair muscles around the mouth which allow people to articulate when they speak and not spit out food when they eat."

It has been technically possible to carry out such a transplant for some years, with teams in the US, the UK and France researching the procedure.

But the ethical concerns of a face transplant, and the psychological impact to the patient of looking different has held teams back.


There have also been concerns about the consequences of patients having to take to immunosuppressant drugs for the rest of their lives.

What do you guys thing about this? Personally I'm all for saving someones life, but the fact that it's a face transplant seems a bit... uncomfortable. I realize that I can't really understand what it must be like, of course I've never been in the position she was, and hopefully never will.
I guess this wasn't too bad, it was only her jaw and lower face that got transplanted, but what about if it comes to the stage where entire faces are being used? I feel a bit weird about it, unlike organs a face is kinda unique, it's someones -or was someones- identity.
Anyone else got any opnions on this?

Lei
06-12-2005, 14:58
I agree completly with you, Aeyze. Yeah, I know I don't know what it's like, but still. I also think that if its only bits, like her jaw/lower face it's a little less strange, a little like organs. Then again, it's on the outside, isnt it?

Do we use limb transplants? =\ Cause this reminds me of something like that. It's visibly part of someone else, and if it was a whole face....That's scary... There was one on Once Upon A Time In Mexico I think (Mebbes..>_>) and that was enough to freak me well out - but that and my imagination..Bleh...=X

But if it restores functions and things, I guess we have no choice......

crazylegs
06-12-2005, 15:12
I just don't trust the BBc news too much wierdness
for example the zombies (found in the zombies in the u.s gove thread)
or killer Squirrel

I think all bogus

Tharrick
06-12-2005, 15:26
I feel a bit weird about it, unlike organs a face is kinda unique, it's someones -or was someones- identity.
Well, the majority of facial structure and appearance is actually made up by the bones and underlying tissues, so the end appearance will be very similar to the patient's original appearance as opposed to the donors. Stuff like in Face/Off will never happen by these means.

just don't trust the BBc news too much wierdness
for example the zombies (found in the zombies in the u.s gove thread)
or killer Squirrel

I think all bogus

That's because you're an idiot.
If you ever paused to look, you'd have noticed that the web address for the articles about zombies or squirrels aren't the BBC news web address. You'd also notice some interesting differences in the BBC format and in the hoax articles.

Dale Anthony
06-12-2005, 17:37
I just don't trust the BBc news too much wierdness
for example the zombies (found in the zombies in the u.s gove thread)
or killer Squirrel

I think all bogus

Okay dude, less of the accusations. I'd much rather listen to the BBC then whatever channel you've got in Mexico anyday.

Anyway, yeah I see where you're coming from with the idea it's saving someone. I mean so long as they don't screw it up, I don't really see this kinda procedure as a bad thing. So hell, I'm all for it.

But yeah, I seriously doubt an entire face would be used or atleast fully. I think if it came to the point where someone wanted a full face transplant, they'd probably not stick the whole face on, but much rather put it on to suit the patients original face, so like in bits as such.

Auron-X
07-12-2005, 13:32
Lei: Strangly enough I just watched that movie like an hour or so ago O_o And yeah it looked kinda gross with the blood, tissue and everything.

Well I mean as long as it's safe it would be like any other operation right, only... different =/ I also remember seeing this one movie with John Travolta (sp?) and Nicholas Cage (sp?) where they swapped faces ((in the story) though really nothing actually happened, the two actors just ended up playing different characters obviously). Yeah a full facial transplant would be well dangerous wouldn't it? And would it even fit with the bone structure, etc, etc. Doubt it'll happen, but it may be possible in the far future.

The dog got put down, poor thing =/ And AGAINST the family's wishes too, so yeah that's ghey. And well is there even much difference? I mean they're just replacing the tissue so not much change to the face really (like Tharrick said). Yeah and crazylegs, the zombie one was obviously a fake and as for the the squirrel one I wouldn't know and so what EVERYTHING from BBC News is fake and NOT real? I HIGHLY doubt that =/ This IS real, not like it's NOT possible, it's not like they're swapping faces - you probably didn't even read the article and assumed that's what it was.

Dr. Aeyze
07-12-2005, 14:35
I just don't trust the BBc news too much wierdness
for example the zombies (found in the zombies in the u.s gove thread)
or killer Squirrel

I think all bogus


heh, this is real, it's been on the news everywhere, you can google for it and find a dozen sites on it, they performed the operation in France somewhere, Marseilles (spelling?) I think, but not 100% sure. If you don't trust the BBC website, then here's a link to the CNN one:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/12/02/france.face/?section=cnn_world

Dusk
07-12-2005, 14:48
If you ever paused to look, you'd have noticed that the web address for the articles about zombies or squirrels aren't the BBC news web address. You'd also notice some interesting differences in the BBC format and in the hoax articles.

Does it make you an idiot then for not noticing that the squirrels is the actual BBC news web adress, it even comes in the search of "squirrels"

But yeah, I don't actually see why peope would think this is bad, if they want it and its going to hep them then why not?

Tharrick
07-12-2005, 15:04
Does it make you an idiot then for not noticing that the squirrels is the actual BBC news web adress, it even comes in the search of "squirrels"
It would do, had I actually seen the article in question

Blade
03-01-2006, 12:48
Yeah, I remember seing that on BBC One a few weeks back. Interesting huh? Also kind of scary how things that people would say were impossible only 20 years back are now happening.

Tharrick
03-01-2006, 15:30
Do we use limb transplants?
Yep, but they don't usually work very well


they'd probably not stick the whole face on, but much rather put it on to suit the patients original face, so like in bits as such.
The entire skin is layered over the damaged tissue of the face to maintain a single skin tone - remember, this is for situations where a simple skin graft isn't sufficient. Also remember that it's just skin - the facial structure etc comes from the underlying muscles and bones and assorted other tissues. This is basically just a more complex version of a skin graft, and from a donor rather than your own body.

Starfire
19-01-2006, 19:56
We talked about this in one of my classes, and then had an assingment on it.

Very interesting stuff. I wonder if someday, they'll be able to completaly change your face and how it looks. Kinda sad though...since people who look fine will start doing it.

I don't know if it's good or bad. It would mean a lot more to just accept our apperance, ya?

Tharrick
19-01-2006, 20:09
One day I'm sure they'll develop a procedure that allows you to entirely change the facial muscle/bone structure, as well as the skin.
I hate non-essential cosmetic surgery. Getting a burn scar removed or a serious problem fixed is one thing, having your mammaries inflated because you feel jealous of Jordan is completely different

Dr. Aeyze
19-01-2006, 22:31
One day I'm sure they'll develop a procedure that allows you to entirely change the facial muscle/bone structure, as well as the skin.
I hate non-essential cosmetic surgery. Getting a burn scar removed or a serious problem fixed is one thing, having your mammaries inflated because you feel jealous of Jordan is completely different

Complete agreement there, if you feel the need to "improve" yourself (If you can call it that) in order to stand out, or fit in... well, hard to explain it, especially when I'm stuck on the laptop and can't type a proper sentance without having to go back and change it several times ;_; (damn laptop) but that seems just wrong.

But it's an expanding business, and I doubt it'll stop any time soon. The amounts of money people spend on it make me feel positively *ill* and seeing the results of overly large amounts of plastic surgery, people start to look genuinely scary (in my opinion at least, but I'm easily scared D: )

Starfire
20-01-2006, 18:33
But it's an expanding business, and I doubt it'll stop any time soon. The amounts of money people spend on it make me feel positively *ill* and seeing the results of overly large amounts of plastic surgery, people start to look genuinely scary (in my opinion at least, but I'm easily scared D: )

Very scary. I see some people who have done so much plastic surgery and injections into their face, they look 10 times uglier than they did in the first place, when they probably looked normal. And the sad thing is, the more they do it, the better they feel about themselves.

It's disgusting. There should be a law enforced or something...O_o.

Love and Silence
20-01-2006, 20:57
I want Halle Berrys face X3 XD

I thought it was quite funny how technology has grown. I know I sound like a old fart that should be sat in a chair smoking a pipe but, meh, i've been confined for 4 weeks so .. Put that in your smoke and pipe it. XP

.. Won't she have like loads of scars? :/

Tharrick
21-01-2006, 03:23
Won't she have like loads of scars?
That's what the transplant is supposed to remove :D

The only scarring should be a single long scar running along the joint between old and new skin, and that'll be minimised by surgery and medicine, and it'll fade with time as well.

Love and Silence
21-01-2006, 18:43
Oooh. So it's like slapping a pancake on her face and stapling it on? XD Sorry that's the first thing that came to mind when picturing it. I thought it would be like piece by piece. =|

Dale Anthony
22-01-2006, 00:53
I thought it would be like piece by piece. =|

Uh-huh...that's what I was thinking. But heck...yeah, sure as Hell sounds effective whatever it is they actually do. Although face transplants for people who don't need them would be a waste.

Tharrick
22-01-2006, 03:19
Why would it be piece by piece? All that does is increase the doctor's workload by increasing tenfold the amount of suturing etc. It would be easier and faster to take the entire face and attach it in one piece.

Chris
22-01-2006, 14:15
I want a picture!!

katie
22-01-2006, 22:57
It's disgusting. There should be a law enforced or something...O_o.

if a law was enforced, people would get it done illegally. this would mean that people could make money out of cosmetic surgery without being qualified, and the results would be catastrophic. its just safer for it to be legal.

Mattlab
09-03-2006, 23:53
See the thing I am not sure about is does this faceplant also include things like facial features like the nose and its size and stuff?

Tharrick
10-03-2006, 00:59
See the thing I am not sure about is does this faceplant also include things like facial features like the nose and its size and stuff?

See, if people like you were to read the damned topic before posting your nonsense, you'd have seen my repeated statements that actual facial features are determined by the underlying bone and musculature of the face and not by the skin, which is just about all that's being transplanted. The deep underlying muscles and bone are unaffected except in the most severe case, so the face remains about 90% original in appearance.

Hikaru_Freya
10-03-2006, 01:49
Hasnt there already been a face transplant?

I could of sworn I heard it on the news... so guy having his face repaired or something like a face transplant...

Tharrick
10-03-2006, 02:04
Yes, this is another really really old thread. This happened months ago, people. Time to stop talking about it