Does forever have a Begining?

[Irrelevant]

i found this question asked by a member on another site and it spurred up some good argueable opinions,

so here it is:


Well, this is a question that I have asked some people, and they say that forever does not have a begginging.. somthing like.. "we'll be in this cave forever" meaning from this point, we will always be in this cave...

but my view is somthing like "The universe has been here forever".. meaning it has always been here, and always will, with no starting date, and no ending date...

so does "Forever" have a beginning?

you decide.
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and heres another question.

what makes time exist?


i already answered these questions, i'll post my answers once i see a few other opinions.

[Tharrick]

With 'forever', it very much depends on what tense you use it in:

'We WILL be in here forever' = forever has a definite beginning, as it's used to describe an infinite time from this point onwards
'It HAS been here forever' = forever has no definite beginning, or it has a definite beginning so far back that the speaker can't comprehend, e.g. the beginning of the universe


what makes time exist?
How many doctors of physics do we have on this forum?
Don't forget that time is just another of the four dimensions that we're able to interact with as humans. You may as well ask 'why does up exist' or 'why do forward and backwards exist'? We live in a (supposedly) 4-dimensional world, in which there are 4 axis - x, y, z, and t, and to understand one we have to understand all of them, since they're fundamentally linked, and my physics education never went that far. I doubt many peoples did.

[Tdk]

How do you mean time?

Humans have sectioned time so if you meant time such as days, years etc then i would say humans make time exist.

If you meant the 4th dimension as Tharrick said, then i dont have a clue. Its something i find that no-one can grasp, its a part of nature.


As for does forever have a beginning i have to say that yes it does.
How can it be there if it has no beginning?

We did alot of how the universe started in theology (the cosmological argument) and we were told 3 theories. God created the universe (therefore it has a beginning), the big bang caused the universe (therefore it has a beginning) and the God caused the big bang (again it has a beginning).

Although i have to agree with Tharrick again.

"'It HAS been here forever' = forever has no definite beginning, or it has a definite beginning so far back that the speaker can't comprehend, e.g. the beginning of the universe"

I find it incomprehendable (is that a word? =/) that forever cant have a beginning. I just cant get my head around something not having a beginning. If there was no beginning, what caused it?

[Chris]

is this a thread trying to be 'deep' about the beginnings of forever?

[ROCKY]

i think it is all an a opinion.

[Roxas]

yes!, time is something humans created... if you think of a sphere... it has no time in it because emptyness does not need it. If you think about things in terms of energy... everything and anything does things to change gain or remove energy from themselves. Time was created to inerpret and control this process. The sphere on the outside a.k.a its physical being has a begining of being a sphere. But before that... what was it and where did it come from?. So when you think about it there is no begining because the begining is not the begining if something was before it and if the thing that was before it created it... that would mean it was there before we knew which means that it never started and never was there it's only what we percept.

[Tharrick]

time is something humans created

The way we measure and record time is something we created, but time itself isn't, in the same way that humans didn't create distance, we only created miles and kilometres in order to measure it.

[shadowclone7]

Well Tharrick is right we as humans really didn't create enything as both of my parents are cristians it gives me a chance to grasp other oppinions and stories in bibblical the sence it says that god create the earth for man to
live for a short period of time like visiting until you die to go home to heaven
I'm not really an religous person but thats there part of the story

[Razorblade Kiss]

I'm not sure of how to answer but this question but have you ever heard of an Ouroboros? It's a dragon constantly swallowing its tail, that symbolizes the end and beginning. It symbolizes how both processes begin and end and start again through one another.

[Tharrick]

in bibblical the sence it says that god create the earth for man to
live for a short period of time like visiting until you die to go home to heaven

No it doesn't.
Until Adam and Eve ate from the Tree, their life was eternal. The penalty for eating the fruit was that they would eventually die.

[shadowclone7]

Until Adam and Eve ate from the Tree, their life was eternal. The penalty for eating the fruit was that they would eventually die.thats is why we are visiting we are born with natural sin because we are all desendece of adam and eve since they ate the apple we have to pay the price

[Tharrick]

But the Earth wasn't created in order to house us for 'short visits'. Man was pretty much the last thing created according to Genesis.
Also, when Jesus died, one of the sins that we were absolved of was the original sin. Part of the reason that Jesus had to die was to show us all that we can exist after death, because God has forgiven the sin.

[Brindley]

Also, when Jesus died, one of the sins that we were absolved of was the original sin. Part of the reason that Jesus had to die was to show us all that we can exist after death, because God has forgiven the sin.

Ahh, so that was the reason for his sacrifice. I feel more enlightened now, thank you.

[shadowclone7]

Also, when Jesus died, one of the sins that we were absolved of was the original sin. Part of the reason that Jesus had to die was to show us all that we can exist after death, because God has forgiven the sin.yeah but thats if you ask god for forgiveness and believe in him and you shall ever lasting life people regardless if you have been good or bad you can still go to hell would you be on the hand of god or in everlasting darkness he died for are sins so we don't have to go into ever lasting darkness besides where does your soul belong to the devil of this world or god in the heavens

[Dale Anthony]

yeah but thats if you ask god for forgiveness and believe in him and you shall ever lasting life people regardless if you have been good or bad you can still go to hell would you be on the hand of god or in everlasting darkness he died for are sins so we don't have to go into ever lasting darkness besides where does your soul belong to the devil of this world or god in the heavens

Okay...I dunno what you're trying to say...but you sound very close-minded to me. That might...be cause of your lack of grammar...but nevertheless. If we're talking about God, he loves everyone on the planet...regardless of Sin. If you can realise the love he has for all things, you will realise that he'd be happy to take all his "children" as it were into Heaven. I think God understands that people will always make mistakes and Sin and that Sin can't be fully avoided, that's why he takes the souls of the dead into everlasting life. Or so I believe. I haven't been to Church in years but...that's what I've been brought up to believe.