the weapons club

[ROCKY]

name weapons you want or have.

[Tharrick]

I have a bokken, a tower hanger, a throwing knife, a stabbin' knife, a belt knife, a poniard-style knife. I need more, I feel naked!

[Brindley]

I have a lovely flintlock pistol, engraved with silver and mother of pearl. It's a beautiful weapon, but a little dirty and uncared for. Think I'll get it restored one of these days..

[Tharrick]

You should show me one of these days, you're always going on about how lovely it is

[Brindley]

Yeah, have to try and find it first... ¬_¬ It's really my dads but I've adopted it since he does nothing to it but stick it in a box. And that's where it is at the moment, it's been stuck in a box somewhere..

EDIT: Box as in big cardboard box along with all the other junk, not an elegantly carved ornate sprucewood box.

[Tharrick]

Well, you should get a proper weapon at least. Bokken are only a few pounds, you can afford one o' them :P

[Brindley]

'Proper Weapon'.. Reminds me of when Marc said the only true weapons are a man's arms and legs..

[ROCKY]

i have a kuhkri.

[Tharrick]

'Proper Weapon'.. Reminds me of when Marc said the only true weapons are a man's arms and legs..
That'd be the time I elbowed him in the face, wouldn't it?

i have a kuhkri.
Well, that was a let-down. Go out and get some more.

[Dr. Aeyze]

I've got a 42" bastard sword which was my first one, I got that for my birthday a year or two back, one of those fantasy style ones. Unfortunately the balance on it is horrid so It's no good for swinging around.

I've got a 34" katana, very light weight, cotton wrap handle and the only let down with that is the annoying sheath, it would've been nice if it was more decorative.

I've got a ceremonial antique captain's saber which is in need of a little bit of love and care, the basket handles a little broken on one side by the base of the blade and I'm not sure how to clean the blade - there's a load of intricate shallow releaf carvings down it and I don't want to ware them off. (given to me by one of my Grans friends)

I've got two antique cavalery sabers, I don't like them much and might look into selling them. (also given to me by one of my Grans friends)

And my dagger, which I got from my Grandad last birthday. It's incredibly sharp.

[Tharrick]

I just got a shirasaya :D:D:D

[Plo Addonnas]

I've got:
59" Scottish Claymore
70" Viking throwing spear
80" Viking thrusting spear
Double-Bladed Viking battle-axe
36" Viking Longsword
as well as numerous other knives and such.

(In case you didn't pick up on it, I'm a bit obsessed with my Viking heritage, lol)

[ROCKY]

what i really want is cold steel machete.

[Plo Addonnas]

you guys should all check out this place
http://www.weaponmasters.com/products/

[valor sora]

i have a mashete, pocatknif and a shotgun

[Tharrick]

1) machete
2) pocket knife

:P


I'd use weaponmasters, only the import laws for the UK mean that they'd confiscate and destroy my package the instant it entered UK territory. Plus, paying the equivalent of £22 for postage, for a £5 knife - bit excessive

[ROCKY]

wow that sucks man try local weapons stores.

[Tharrick]

We don't HAVE local weapon stores, they're generally quite illegal

[Big Boss]

-My brain
-My punch, punch, kick combo

XP

Though, prefer looking at www.swordsonline.com. It's pretty good for collector's or full-fledged weapons.

What I really wants is an Airsoft gun.

[ROCKY]

that sucks even more. so you can't get any thing.

[Tharrick]

There are a few places that sell things. But since the import laws are so cocked up here, you have to buy things from a dealer in England, of which there are very few, you can't order direct from the states, so the prices are all doubled. And since this dude killed some other dude with some weapons he bought via mail order, they're thinking of making that illegal too.

[ROCKY]

why in the u.s people do all the time. but i forgot the 2nd amendment. the right to bear arms.

[crazylegs]

desrert eagle /=-
katana
machete
wooden stick

[Tharrick]

Do you actually OWN a real, functional desert eagle, or just a replica?
And wooden sticks don't count
And as for the katana, is it a real one, or a fake display one?

[Müninn]

Machete
"Barbarian" Sword- basically big ass sword xD
Daggers everywhere >_>
Even more pocket knives >_>
And some old WW2 German gun I can't remember the name of ;;
OH! Also have a German mortar =D Now to only get some shells so I could use it >_> <_< >_>

[Lenin]

i own a claymore, its blunt (customs law) but its well built,i am gonna get another one( 6ft scotish sword "high/Lowlander" i think) in christmas, either a sword or a halbert, my country is very limited in these kind of things, so i am gonna get swords from areas away from public kinda like a black market thing :/ where they sell battle ready swords imported from some countries.

[crazylegs]

Do you actually OWN a real, functional desert eagle, or just a replica?
And wooden sticks don't count
And as for the katana, is it a real one, or a fake display one?

desert eagle is real but not functional cuz that would be illigal
katana is fake I wish I had a real one
and a boken wood practice sword

[Tharrick]

So the DE doesn't count, because it's deactivated
Katana: -ish, but I'll let it slide :P
If you'd just said a bokken, all woulda been well :P

I got my iaito ordered :D
It's shipping from Japan in January :D

And apparantly 5 smilies counts as 'too many images'

[Lenin]

the odachi from weapon master is cool lol, i heard its the same type of sword was used to fight musashi but musashi used an boat ore due to range disadvantage from his sword (musashi)

[Tharrick]

Close enough, yeah
Kojiro used an odachi, but Musashi had spent the boat journey carving a wooden sword from an oar, and making sure it was a hand-span longer than Kojiro's. When they attacked each other, Kojiro's sword passed within half an inch of Musashi's face, while Musashi's wooden sword came down soundly on Kojiro's head, cracking his skull. Fromthe ground, Kojiro attempted another blow, but Musashi hit him again, shattering most of his ribs and killing him.

[ROCKY]

wow that is really intense.

[Tharrick]

http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/7536/ka181kp.jpg

That's the one I'm getting, only in black rather than golden brown.

[ROCKY]

the swords handle or overall?

[Tharrick]

The saya as well. I prefer black to golden brown.

[Zen]

Hm, where I live it's like really easy to get weapons lol. There's like ... three stores around me and I even know some places they sell to miniors.

Anyway, I plan to get more, but here's all I have right now:
Katana of some sort
Throwing knifes ( somewhere :) )
Throwing stars :D
Shirasaya ( in really bad condition :( )

and my newest .... something of which I have no idea what to call! so lets just say it's a sword :) When you pull on the base a small blade comes out ... O.o'

[ROCKY]

wow that is really neat.

[Rusty2006]

Wooden swords have always been my favorite. Except I have minal skill.

[ROCKY]

well that is okay but you can improve your skill by practicing with any weapons.

[Tharrick]

You're better off using wooden ones to start with though, less chance of taking a leg off :P

Some friends of mine practice with proper sharp weapons, but they're both swordmaster rated - FAR better than I am with a blade. I usually train with blunt steel, since the weight and balance are closer, but I was training with wooden swords for a long time before that to get the basic technique right.

[keiskay]

14 inch dagger
a battle ax real one sharpened
a 3ft short sword
a freaking mace
a two hander sword with a hilt made of human bone which is barely legal in the states
.38 snub nose old model
.50 cal not the rifle the revolver style pistol no bullets a
.357 magnum revolver dads gun but its in my room but no bullets.

[ROCKY]

wow the only battle ax is the one i made.

[Rusty2006]

Yeah, I practice when I can. My puppy hide my second wooden sword so I can only practice with one wooden sword. In Japan, I belive wooden swords are called " Boken". Though I am not sure.

[ROCKY]

you maybe right you may not. does anyone know for sure.

[Rusty2006]

Dude, are you actually online? Rocky, by the way thanks for letting me join the Soldiers of Fortune. Also, does anyone know how to get rid of teeth marks on a wooden sword?

[Tharrick]

In Japan, I belive wooden swords are called " Boken"

Bokken or bokuto, yeah


does anyone know how to get rid of teeth marks on a wooden sword?
There's no way, it's cheaper to just go and buy a new sword.
www.ninecircles.co.uk

[ROCKY]

yes there is if you use a file or a rasp then sandpaper.

[Rusty2006]

thanks for the info rocky, thanks again.

[Tharrick]

Got varnish? Otherwise it'll just go bad.
It's cheaper and easier to just buy a new one :P

[ROCKY]

that is true but what if you have the stuff and no money?

[Tharrick]

If you've got varnish and files and sandpaper and you're actually good at carpentry, then go for it.

[Rusty2006]

Dude, I am not made out of money, those items must cost a bundle. Sorry, but my cash is not my biggest talent now.

[Tharrick]

Do you ever actually formally train with your bokken, with other people in a dojo? If you do, you'd be better off replacing the weapon. If not, a few teeth marks aren't anything to worry about.
Also, if you don't actually train with it, but just keep it for display purposes, then it's best to replace it anyway, because it'll never look as good even after you've filed away the teethmarks and re-varnished the whole thing.

[Rusty2006]

No, I train in my back yard, where my dogs play. Dojo's cost a fortune to join I bet.

[Tharrick]

Depends on where you are.
It's only £10 for a 3-month trial membership with the British Kendo Association, then you pay tuition - I'm right now paying £15 a month for my iaido tuition and £40 for a year's membership with the BKA since I'm a student
Dojos shouldn't cost a 'fortune' - the ones that do are usually McDojos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDojo) and therefore not good.
My total outgoings for my martial arts training is:
£15/month for Iaido
£23/month for Krav Maga
£15/year KM insurance (£1.25/month)
£40/year BKA membership/insurance (£3.33/month)
=
£42.58/month

[Rusty2006]

Damn dude, I don't have that cash, at least my back yard is free.

[Tharrick]

The point is though, that to do iaido on its own would cost you (if you were here and going to my dojo) less than £20 a month

[ROCKY]

that is what in american?

[Tharrick]

Probably somewhere in the vicinity of $4 million

:P

Nah, it's about $33-35

[ROCKY]

that is not a lot but it is up there.

[Tharrick]

It depends on how 'into' the art you are.
I, for example, recently shelled out £250 (about $410-20) on an iaito katana from Japan, to carry on practicing with a real sword rather than a wooden bokken. It makes the practice sessions much more intense, and the weight and balance are very different, so my muscles get a better workout

[Rusty2006]

Sorry dude, but I only practice for basic defence, nothing special. Also, I only started training when I read King Arthur many a year ago.

[ROCKY]

i am good with most weapons but i am real good with staffs.

[Lenin]

I just joined this group today :) !!! :) http://phemas.com/

Learning Fiore, an Italian Longsword art, ( i prefer the polearm though, HUGE advantage, and its simple)

[Tharrick]

i prefer the polearm though, HUGE advantage, and its simple

Problem with polearms of any description is that as soon as your opponent has closed within about 5ft of you, you don't have an effective weapon.

And seriously, $80 a month? I pay that for two martial arts societies

[Lenin]

Problem with polearms of any description is that as soon as your opponent has closed within about 5ft of you, you don't have an effective weapon.

And seriously, $80 a month? I pay that for two martial arts societies


Its quite new to our country, but its Only on weekends (sunday for 2 hours, if its an [Insert Experience trainer/guest name here] Workshop, it will last like 8-10 hours of training depends on how many days he/she is staying); Once i get promoted, i will go on and train with the other instructor on a weekday basis.

We had a guy from Finland who taught us the basics,( i am new, so i am very confuse on the footings, For as, all my life i have been "static" and been doing weight lifting.)

But boy do the instructors have fun when they really spar off with practical metal swords wearing hauberks,gambisons and stuff.

I am very glad and excited i join this course.

(you can bring your own steel Longsword for training [if you are a veteran of Fiore], and wear armor and stuff (limited armor choice though.) )


Its 80 Singapore Dollars FYI, its VERY cheap for you :P.

[Tharrick]

Oh, fair enough. I don't know the GBP-singapore dollar exchange rate :P


you can bring your own steel Longsword for training [if you are a veteran of Fiore]

When I first started doing swordplay, we started off with steel swords. My first practice sword was full-contact steel.

[Lenin]

Oh, fair enough. I don't know the GBP-singapore dollar exchange rate :P




When I first started doing swordplay, we started off with steel swords. My first practice sword was full-contact steel.


Well, for safety reason, we start off with a waster 1st to learn about control and to stop at where you swung your sword if told to,this i have no problem however,though the waster tend to be alot more uncomfortable and slightly heavier compare to their steel counterpart.

http://phemas.com/phemas_images/phemas_arms02.jpg

this are the "standard" equipment we used,but they didnt add the Halbert(hammer head) to this, for we dont really cover halbert that much, for as it uses most of the same stances for the Longsword.

[Tharrick]

Mine looks a bit like this:

http://www.armourclass.com/Data/Gfx/Tower-Hanger.jpg

Except the blade's diamond-section and unfullered

[Lenin]

Mine looks a bit like this:

http://www.armourclass.com/Data/Gfx/Tower-Hanger.jpg

Except the blade's diamond-section and unfullered

I see, what kind of sword is that? i never seen those before to be honest. (rapier? or a saber?)

[Tharrick]

It's called a hanger. It's a type of 16-18th century backsword (single-bladed sword), a bit similar to the cutlass (this doesn't make it a pirate weapon - in fact, cutlasses weren't even around when the pirates were big)

[Lenin]

It's called a hanger. It's a type of 16-18th century backsword (single-bladed sword), a bit similar to the cutlass (this doesn't make it a pirate weapon - in fact, cutlasses weren't even around when the pirates were big)


I see, thanks for the info, but its quite similar to the gross messer in a way yes?

for the GBP exchange rate thing, just take $80 SGD and divide it by 3 to get to the english currency

[Tharrick]

Similar, but still quite different - the blade was much lighter than the grosses messer, and was straigh

[Wakizashi]

i have a:
- hatchet
- 2 samurai swords
-1 tai chi sword
-a staff wit a blade at the end ( don't know the name)
- 1 gandalf sword (lord of the ring)
- the legalis swords(lord of the ring)
-5 daggers(including the ceasor sword)
- 1 normal battle sword
and alot of pocket knives

[ROCKY]

how many pocket knives?

[Wakizashi]

about 10 to 12, not to many but a good amount

[Tharrick]

I've just ordered another set of throwing knives. Soon they will arrive :D

[Hideto]

Gonna link us to them Tharrick? I would like to see what i should be looking out for when im around you. A bit of recon never hurt lol

[Tharrick]

They can be found at http://www.blades-uk.com/large_pic.php?product_id=713

[keiskay]

just ordered a new knife i hope the damn things worth the hundred though.

http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=GH2025

[Tharrick]

Those things aren't worth the metal they're made of, usually.
Look for a fairbairn-sykes dagger. Proper British commando knife, sometimes still in use today (originally designed in WW2 :P)

[alexanderpas]

just ordered a new knife i hope the damn things worth the hundred though.

http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=GH2025

those knives are so expensive because of the work (time) that goes into the design and the detail of the design!



i don't have any real weapons, (except the usual kitchen stuff ;)) but i have two LARP(Live Action Role-Play) weapons, a Long Sword and a Short Sword

[ROCKY]

those knives are so expensive because of the work (time) that goes into the design and the detail of the design!that is true but even then there are defects in it.

[keiskay]

http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=SWSURC

new knife im ordering yay.

[alexanderpas]

those knives are so expensive because of the work (time) that goes into the design and the detail of the design!that is true but even then there are defects in it.I never mentioned quality ;)

[Tharrick]

No, those kind of knives are generally very poor quality.

My favourite knife is a simple one, no ornamentation, it's like an old kitchen knife. But damn, does it hold an edge. When I was re-enacting, it was my utility knife, my eating knife, it did everything.
I still have it, still hone it once in a while - but it really doesn't need it, because it's already incredibly sharp. With some sandpaper or very hard stone, I could perhaps get it to razor sharp.

[ROCKY]

yes simple is good. but to a certain effect. like some knives like cold steel last longer than even your knife.

[Tharrick]

Yes, but the cold steel ones aren't particularly fancy, and they ARE very well made. Most of the 'fantasy' knives you see these days are very badly made.

[ROCKY]

some are you just have to look but that was not what i meant.

[Tharrick]

Well, most of the cold steel ones that are any good aren't particularly fancy.

And I have NEVER, in all my years, come across a 'fantasy' knife that's ever been any good

[keiskay]

http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=LINP1707

gonna buy this one as soon as i get my paycheck from mcdonald's. lol

[zimac_muiea]

We have a revovlver and a shotgun, I would love to have and collect swords and daggers..

[Tharrick]

So here's the new dagger that I've just ordered:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8682/1140301647cud232abulldaggerahx3.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/605/1140301647cud232abulldaggerbti6.jpg
Nice, eh?

[keiskay]

i just got a M24 yugoslavian bolt action rifle today from my dad.

[ROCKY]

those are nice Tharrick.

[Tharrick]

Toledo steel too. Good quality stuff, that - some of the best steelware, swords, knives and what-have-you in Europe, comes from Toledo.
Even Shakespeare loved it ('It is a sword of Spain, the ice-brook's temper', 'Behold, I have a weapon/ A better never did itself sustain/ Upon a soldier's thigh' (Othello))

[Dark Sephiroth]

id love to get a masamune someday

[Tharrick]

It's nigh-on impossible to actually forge something of that size out of good metal.

[ROCKY]

not really but it is real expensive.

[Tharrick]

not really but it is real expensive.



No, it's actually pretty much impossible. You need:

a) a HELL of a lot of steel
b) several VERY good smiths
c) all the smiths to be able to work in perfect teamwork
d) lots of special facilities specifically for forging one

[Dark Sephiroth]

No, it's actually pretty much impossible. You need:

a) a HELL of a lot of steel
b) several VERY good smiths
c) all the smiths to be able to work in perfect teamwork
d) lots of special facilities specifically for forging one


in fact it is possible ive got the link here http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-98479313539010_1911_2301 and it is an official sword of ff7

[Tharrick]

Please note when I say 'good metal' I don't mean 'cheap stainless steel blade'.

A katana should be folded steel or nothing. Unless that blade costs at the very least US$25550 or more, it won't be good folded steel, and it won't have been made by someone who knows what they're doing.

[keiskay]

in fact it is possible ive got the link here http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-98479313539010_1911_2301 and it is an official sword of ff7

offical?lol i can buy a blade like that at sears.no but if you want a good masamune you are going too need a shit load of money and a way to get a couple of good patient smiths to make it for you.

besides who'd want a sword that long it'd be way unbalanced and hard to control because of it's length.

[kh2fan]

just read this topic and u guys are like ninjas all these wepons and stuff :p
i have a wooden stick and a swiss army knife for scouts

[Tharrick]

Pah, ninjas didn't have lots of weapons. Ninjas didn't even exist in the form that we know today.

[ROCKY]

that is true to a point. it varied from mission to mission.

[Tharrick]

No, ninjas didn't have weapons because they didn't fight

[alexanderpas]

besides who'd want a sword that long it'd be way unbalanced and hard to control because of it's length.

that depends on the actual quality of the sword... a high quality sword should be nicely balanced!

[Tharrick]

A sword that long will be blade-heavy unless you have a hilt of massive length

[ROCKY]

or you can use titanium.

[Tharrick]

It wouldn't matter if it was made out of titanium. It'd still be very off-balance. Lighter, but still off-balance.

[keiskay]

yes that true i can buy a 6 1/2 foot balde and it only ways 14 pounds. but its not balanced for shit so it require's two hands no mater how strong you are since it's blade is so long it's really unbalanced.

[Tharrick]

And with a blade that long, it's just about useless for fighting with anyway.



*edit* just purchased a kukri knife today. Bit old, it's a tourist-y one so not hugely good, but it was only £20. And when I put a decent edge on it and clear away the rust, it'd be worth a lot more'n £20 :D

[ROCKY]

not unless you can weild it well like back Scotland when they used swords and sheilds. they used swords 6 to 7 feet long.

[Tharrick]

No they didn't. I've seen and wielded claymores and they were nowhere near that big.

[keiskay]

plus claymore's are still two handed.if you want a nice length for a blade 2 to 3ft long are oklay and some what better than 4 and up. the blade i want to get is a junglee 2000 short sword 5 1/2" AUS-8 black blade, 21 1/4" overall, checkered black Kraton handle, black Kydex sheath.
http://www.knifeoutlet.com/shop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=JU2000

[Tharrick]

My next purchase, I have decided, is going to be

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4898/tk32ti3.jpg

[keiskay]

i like those kind of blades too but the large bump in it always trips me out.

[ROCKY]

william wallice's sword was at least 6 feet long.

[Tharrick]

Got any sources on that?

[keiskay]

william wallice's sword was at least 6 feet long.
well then william wallace must have been 12 foot tall to use that thing with one hand.
actually a blade half your height is still slightly unbalanced.

[ROCKY]

i just found out it was 5 feet long.

[Tharrick]

And a good foot or so of that will have been hilt.

[Lenin]

My next purchase, I have decided, is going to be

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4898/tk32ti3.jpg

Cool kukri, The ghurkas in my country used this knife as a trademark weapons,

Ghurkas in my country however arent locals, but mostly from nepal near the mountainous regions; Their training are on par or better then our Military Commandos, they are renowned for their loyalty to the people who hired them, if i am not wrong, the british admired the ghurkas.

I am gonna get my rifle ( SAR 21) on Tuesday :)

[ROCKY]

soft air or real semi or fullauto?

[Tharrick]

Cool kukri, The ghurkas in my country used this knife as a trademark weapons,

Ghurkas in my country however arent locals, but mostly from nepal near the mountainous regions; Their training are on par or better then our Military Commandos, they are renowned for their loyalty to the people who hired them, if i am not wrong, the british admired the ghurkas.

The Gurkhas are never local, they're always Nepalese :P They always have the kukri, because no Nepalese person leaves home without one.
The British have always admired the Gurkhas. There's a reason why the Gurkha Rifle regiment is known as the 'bravest of the brave'. There's also a reason why anyone who's ever fought the Gurkhas and survived has nightmares about those knives for the rest of their life :P

In the recent Afghanistan conflict, a Gurkha position came under heavy attack. They repulsed something like 6 full-scale attacks. Final tolls - 3 or 4 wounded Gurkhas. Over 100 dead Taliban. One Gurkha was shot in the face, and carried on manning his machinegun position (clearly just a ricochet or a clip, or he'd be dead :P). He took another shot to the helmet, continued to refuse medevac, and stayed at his position. I have nothing but the greatest of respect for our Gurkha regiment.

[ROCKY]

now thats is hardcore.

[Lenin]

The Gurkhas are never local, they're always Nepalese :P They always have the kukri, because no Nepalese person leaves home without one.
The British have always admired the Gurkhas. There's a reason why the Gurkha Rifle regiment is known as the 'bravest of the brave'. There's also a reason why anyone who's ever fought the Gurkhas and survived has nightmares about those knives for the rest of their life :P

In the recent Afghanistan conflict, a Gurkha position came under heavy attack. They repulsed something like 6 full-scale attacks. Final tolls - 3 or 4 wounded Gurkhas. Over 100 dead Taliban. One Gurkha was shot in the face, and carried on manning his machinegun position (clearly just a ricochet or a clip, or he'd be dead :P). He took another shot to the helmet, continued to refuse medevac, and stayed at his position. I have nothing but the greatest of respect for our Gurkha regiment.


Same, they make our local commandos look like kids lol, and gotta love them tilted hats :D

[Tharrick]

They do come very close to the SAS. That's how impressive they are.

[Lenin]

They do come very close to the SAS. That's how impressive they are.

Its an honour to them to become a gurkha if i am not wrong

[Tharrick]

It is, because only the absolute best of 'em can do it.

[ROCKY]

yes isn't their dropout ratio 97% or so?

[Tharrick]

I'm not sure, but I've heard that it's safer to hug a running chainsaw than to piss one off :P

[ROCKY]

i wonder who will win in a fight a gurkha or a us army green beret?

[Tharrick]

I'd put my money on the Gurkha. The SAS can run rings around the US berets, and the Gurkhas can happily work with the SAS under the same conditions.

[ROCKY]

right i don't think so. the green berets have a 98% dropout ratio that means out of 100 people only 2 make it.

[Tharrick]

We already know that the SAS is just about the best-trained military unit in existance. People DIE on the SAS Selection.
USASF (green beret) training takes 14 weeks. Unless you're a medical officer, when it's 46 weeks. Just getting INTO the SAS takes 6 months. The reason the USASF dropout rate is so high is because you can join it directly - with the SAS, you have to have been in the UK armed forces for 3 years before you can even apply. If you manage to pass Selection (which only 10% of applicants do - and don't forget, that's not 10% of civvies applying for the military, that's 10% of already trained soldiers) you've got another 12 months of hard training to look forward to. One slip-up there, and you're back in your parent unit as though you failed Selection.
And the Gurkhas can keep up with these guys.


Also, in a straight-out fight I'd put my money on the Gurkhas because they're trained for melee combat to an extent that very few military units these days are - in a fist or knife fight, the Gurkha will win hands down.

[ROCKY]

now you cant because you have to have good grades then you have to excel in bootcamp then you maybe choosen to go in then you train for 3 or more months and continue training throughout your carrer.

[Tharrick]

now you cant because you have to have good grades then you have to excel in bootcamp then you maybe choosen to go in then you train for 3 or more months and continue training throughout your carrer.

USASF training takes less than half the time of SAS training (not the 14 weeks that I misread, but nowhere near 4.5 years :P). Selection still takes only a handful of weeks - not the 6-month endurance monstrosity that makes the SAS so very very hard.
You can enlist straight into the USASF. It's a fairly recent (last couple of years) thing. Training (from what my latest batch o' research shows) lasts 14 weeks for basic infantry and some advanced training, then you can go and do their 6-week selection course. With the SAS you have to have been a Forces member for 3 years, minimum, then you have to go for a 6 MONTH selection process.
Here's an idea of just how much extra work that is.
USASF - 6 weeks total
UK SAS - 2 days briefing. 4 weeks fitness/navigation. 4 weeks weapon/tactics/demolition basic training. 6 weeks jungle training. 4 weeks combat survival/resistance to interrogation.

And let me say it again.
The Gurkhas can compete on an equal level with these guys

[ROCKY]

look this up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Special_Forces then you will see you are wrong.

[Tharrick]

Been reading that and basing my argument on it. Amongst other various sources.

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[Tharrick]

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