View Full Version : Spamed Glory
Dale Anthony
17-09-2005, 13:05
Hello everyone. On behalf of being blamed for practically all the spam going on here at HHN, I'm gonna ask you all to stop the damn crap. Now I'm well aware I've got over 1'100 posts (to which I'm gonna ask for about 600-700 to be removed) but I find it ridiculous that I'm getting blamed for the majority of this spam.
I am not logged into all the accounts here and I did not make 13450 posts myself overnight, so why the **** I'm getting blamed for it I dunno.
I know that Chris, Kayleigh (Lei) and Hender (Hideto) are getting fed up of coming here and seeing countless messages full of crap in threads not even refering to it. So do me a goddamn favour and stop doing it.
Now this isn't gonna be a useless thread, for anyone else who agrees I want you to post yourself here, possibly explain what the OLD HHN used to be like and how long you've been a member for. Anybody refering to anyone and blaming them for all this crap in this thread OR going off topic ONCE will be reported. Thank you.
Edit - We can all be happy HHN is back up, but spamming the damn thing is the wrong way to go about it. And we're all equally wrong in spamming it.
Chris, Lei and Hender have spammed before, so they shouldn't be having a go at you about it, well i'm not sure about Lei but I know Chris and Hender has, even if it was in the past.
Complaining about it, really won't help anyway, if you remember I was the onyl one to originally complaining about the spam, but nothing was done by the admins or moderators.
We were NOT having a go at him.
TriggerHappi:D
17-09-2005, 16:00
Allright, I know this idea has been rejected countless times, but wouldn't a good remedy for this be a spamming section?! I mean, there isn't a place for spam, and some people don't use the shoutbox. The closest thing to a spamming section is 7th Heaven, and that's NOT a spamming section! But some people just decide to post inane, retarted conversations there. Don't get me wrong, I've probably done it once or twice too, there isn't one person here that isn't to blame. Anyway, I think that a spamming section would help "ease the forum congestion". But that's just me.
Trigani-Maru-Suke
17-09-2005, 16:03
the admins have said no to spam section everytime, so I don't think they are going to make a spam section. It's not fair to punish 1 person for spamming when everyone does it, I'v done it. We all just need to cut-down on spamming.
Look, i'm agreeing with TS. I'm not sure about other spam sections suggested but I was thinking for one just like that, cause if we can't have threads like that without it being considered spam then just make a spam section where you get no postcount and stuff - of course it'd still be moderated only spam is allowed and pointless conversation (not necessarily pointless). And the crap/spam that's being posted in those threads were actually WORTH reading... so that's why we need a goddamn spam section, also so people won't be b*tching and complaining all the time about some numbers. I mean if the spam was like PROPER spam (as in posts which make no sense, are stupid, etc) then like we should take action, but yeah... I guess we got off-topic a bit too much with those threads but like it's not PROPER spam, just posts which were completely off-topic... But I guess it's all the same? xP.
Ascended Devil
17-09-2005, 18:17
Ive spammed but im not gonna say sorry for it. I think I might get quite bored
here at HHN if I have to stay on subject for to long. So if you were to make a
spamming area that I could feed my off subject urges I would be very happy
to stay on subject elsewhere. I mean come on is it really fun to obey rules all
the time?
Depu Techiikue
17-09-2005, 18:57
On behalf of the staff here at HHN, I will lay some history down in our defense. :P
It wasn't too long ago that there was a huge outroar on HHN, where there was tons of spam and pointless topics with pointless posts. When we started giving out warnings like candy to all those who participated in this spam, a strong portion of the site's population started complaining that we're too "hard" on the members, and allowing spam every now and then was a good thing, and we should all lighten up. As I recall, some people even started insulting other members of the site, including staff, because of this outroar. When we took action, all we got was stupid protests and resistance to our handling of spammers. So, as you all can see, we've REALLY lightened up. Look at the thread about the lack of females on the board... 20+ pages, 80% of it being spam. We haven't done anything about it yet. And the reason being what I just explained above.
Ascended Devil
17-09-2005, 19:00
Hrm. From what I have heard before this last week this forum was very unactive correct? When did this spamming begin to happen?
On behalf of the staff here at HHN, I will lay some history down in our defense. :P
It wasn't too long ago that there was a huge outroar on HHN, where there was tons of spam and pointless topics with pointless posts. When we started giving out warnings like candy to all those who participated in this spam, a strong portion of the site's population started complaining that we're too "hard" on the members, and allowing spam every now and then was a good thing, and we should all lighten up. As I recall, some people even started insulting other members of the site, including staff, because of this outroar. When we took action, all we got was stupid protests and resistance to our handling of spammers. So, as you all can see, we've REALLY lightened up. Look at the thread about the lack of females on the board... 20+ pages, 80% of it being spam. We haven't done anything about it yet. And the reason being what I just explained above.
Thats not a good defensive, IMO. There's something called "being less tougher" and theres something else called "scott free", yes your the latter. Enforcing the rules a tiny bit would be good, that 20+pages of spam shouldn't of gotten like that, one of your should of closed it along time ago..5 pages, may of been being kind to the members, but 20+ is ridiculous. You've basically obliverated the rules, from what you just said.
Things going off topic for a few pages, I would of been able to understand, I just don't see how you could give that explanation for excuse for letting 20pages + of spam not being dealt with, let alone the marriage thread
Btw: I do know that I was spamming.
Trigani-Maru-Suke
17-09-2005, 19:33
Really I find this whole thing kinda stupid. We all spam, including mods, then we complain that we aren't being stopped by the mods?
Alright, I can admit I spam sometimes but then again who doesn't?
There will always be spam, on most forums you go to but this one seems to have the most spam I have ever seen. This appears to be because the lack of new threads, thus causing members to revive and spam old topics. Thats what I think, might not be right.
Its useless blaming the Mod/Admins for it as well, it isn't them doing it. Want someone to blame? Blame the members, not the staff.
Depu Techiikue
17-09-2005, 19:45
It was a good defense. Because a lot of members moaned about us being too strict, saying "omg you make this site no fun blah blah blah blah". A whole bunch of jibberish yet entertaining rambling about the lack of tolerance for spam ruined the site. Then we give you members a little freedom, just so you all would stop complaining about this "power trip". Now that we've given it to you, you want it to go back to the way it was, where we were strict. People should stop trying to jump ship.
And that explanation I gave is perfect, relevant and suits this situation greatly. We closed threads and gave warnings for the slightest bit of spam, then some members went a-wall on us and basically said we're on a power trip. Then a whole bunch of members said "OH! IT'S TIME TO SAVE HHN! Let's protest against this rule and make a thread about it!" Even some of the mods said that the staff was too strict.
So, we lighten up... and the board becomes spam central. Now that you all see what it's doing, you come back asking us to go back to the way it was. Then once we become strict again, you'll complain again wanting freedom of posting once more. Any of the staff can vouch... back at the time, a strong portion of the site pretty much disliked us at the time for disallowing spam to such an extent that warnings were given out for the slightest post of spam. And what kind of a site would this be if the members hated the staff? That would eliminate anyone even coming here. It's simply irrational for all this to keep going back and forth.
Trigani-Maru-Suke
17-09-2005, 19:50
.KrytikaL. has a good point, although I don't think I was around at the time this all happened. If people are going to complain about mods being too strict then don't complain when they lighten up. (Whether you beleive me or not I'm NOT being a suck-up to .KrytikaL. because he's a mod, I'm simply agreeing with him)
Grace Saunders
17-09-2005, 19:52
Dalton already made a topic about this, so not to sound rude or anything but we don't need duplicate threads about the same things, and since his original inquiry was about spam posts, I guess this topic alone is exactly that.
Trigani-Maru-Suke
17-09-2005, 19:53
This thread was created by Dalton. There were 3 threads, this one, one with dalton asking for his post count to be lowered and one chris made.
But, you've lightened up, so your basically on cloud 100 now. The forum was too strict before, it was like at school if you mis-spelled something you got a weeks detention but now its like, you can write a whole book enitrely filled with mis-spelled words and getting away with it.
Im not blaming the mods, It was mine, and everyone elses fault because we spammed. Im just saying, theres a difference bteween being lightened up and being totally laid back.
Grace Saunders
17-09-2005, 20:01
Instead of bitching about "bad threads" why don't you try and replace them with "good threads" instead of complaining that the place is full of spam? In time they'll drift into oblivion and be subsequently forgotten. Until then, ignore them, lock them, or delete them. Do what you have to to decrease the problem.
Instead of bitching about "bad threads" why don't you try and replace them with "good threads" instead of complaining that the place is full of spam? In time they'll drift into oblivion and be subsequently forgotten. Until then, ignore them, lock them, or delete them. Do what you have to to decrease the problem.No hardcore spammer will give up the free postcount and EXP trip, and there's always more than one, so each spam thread WILL be kept alive. Closing and warning is the ONLY way to combat this. The spam threads on this forum is an excellent example of this, there's always some asshat bumping them up again when they SHOULD have been left to die.
And that explanation I gave is perfect, relevant and suits this situation greatly. We closed threads and gave warnings for the slightest bit of spam, then some members went a-wall on us and basically said we're on a power trip. Then a whole bunch of members said "OH! IT'S TIME TO SAVE HHN! Let's protest against this rule and make a thread about it!" Even some of the mods said that the staff was too strict.
So, we lighten up... and the board becomes spam central. Now that you all see what it's doing, you come back asking us to go back to the way it was. Then once we become strict again, you'll complain again wanting freedom of posting once more. Any of the staff can vouch... back at the time, a strong portion of the site pretty much disliked us at the time for disallowing spam to such an extent that warnings were given out for the slightest post of spam. And what kind of a site would this be if the members hated the staff? That would eliminate anyone even coming here. It's simply irrational for all this to keep going back and forth.This entire segment of the post really makes me doubt your qualifications as a moderator. It is very much common sense that, like Domo said, there's a difference between (and I quote) "closed threads and gave warnings for the slightest bit of spam" and allowing 20+ pages of spam without there being the slightest bit of reprecautions (spelling) for this.
Im not pretending to be a guru when it comes to moderating, but I do know for a fact that if you deal with the most extreme cases of spam with warnings and eventually bans, and more slight off-topicness with PM warnings, you will keep 95% of the forum happy.
No-one likes to have a week's detention for spelling "reindeer" in plural as "reindeers", but you shouldn't be able to hand in an 10 page essay written in "133t 5p33k" and still get an A.
If you and the other staff members (yes, this includes admins) cannot see the differences outlined by me and Akiko, then I call you unfit to manage a forum.
Depu Techiikue
17-09-2005, 20:29
You have no idea what it was like back then, so your statements of doubting my qualifications of being a mod are invalid. The entire staff was involved in the events that ridculed the staff for being too strict. We still act on spam, however we don't ban people like we usually do? Why? Because it's a joke that everyone we ban someone, some off bound members will be posting countless posts saying "FREE <Banned Member> OR I'M LEAVING!", which starts a chain reaction.
So if you're doubting my qualifications as a S-Mod, you're doubting the qualifications of the entire site. So re-evaluate your "doubts", because we make this site a fun environment for everyone, and if everyone tells us to stop being so controlling over spam, then we lighten up. If the members can't deal with spam, then dont beg us to lighten up.
Now, the staff is holding a discussion in the staff section. And thus, the strict policy will come into effect again. So no crying when we start giving you all warnings again. Comprende?
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